The Iraq Blunder
I think George Bush blundered by getting into the war in the first place and now he's trapped. Retreat has become difficult and dangerous. The opposition will attack in the vacuum left by our tracks. We are not getting the truth in the news reports. Trust me. The attack on Fallujah will fail. The "insurgents" will go elsewhere. They're already counterattacking in other cities and reassembling. They are the ones with the moral high ground. They are just trying to defend their country from outsiders. I truly believe Iraq can work things out without us and come up with a representative government.
Many of the Iraqi soldiers are deserting and defecting. You don't hear about that. Who is George Bush to bomb democracy into somebody? And what is freedom? The Iraqis see our society as sin-soaked and evil. They truly believe we are the Great Satan. They see our crime, our drug addiction, our greed, our corruption, our love affair with alcohol and wanton sex, and say "this is not for us". The "insurgent" Iraqis will never rest with Allawi's effort to structure a puppet government through the charade of "free" elections. There must be a LOT of them. Consider the all out effort being lodged against Fallujah. Does this look like an opposition of rag-tag mercenaries and foreign fighters? HELL no. They are organized, equipped, funded, and motivated, taking on as many recruits as they lose in battle. They are legion. They are strong and all over the country. Read between the lines. The US Coalition is nowhere near a victory in this campaign, and Iraqis are dying every day, along with Americans.
They don't want freedom for the sake of freedom, especially if women, children, and innocent people have to die for it, and lose their homes, their infrastructure, their livelihoods, etc. How can you look at that carnage and destruction without hatred for George Bush and co? I can't STAND watching the coverage of this attack. It is cruel, criminal and downright WRONG. It is sickening to see babies crying, and elderly women limping through the streets. We will eventually have to leave, just like we did after Tet in Vietnam. Any moral argument regarding Saddam's behaviour has validity in its own right, but reality is making that argument irrelevant. The question is, do we need to be there, spilling the blood of our soldiers, and innocents? Is there a clear mandate to crush the insurgency in order to protect our lives here in the USA? HELL no again. They had nothing to do with 9/11. I'd sooner see Bush invade Pakistan, because THOSE are the people protecting Osama Bin Laden! Musharif probably knows where he is, but hey. THEY have nukes, so we are best to leave them alone, right? Korea's got nukes too, and soon Iran will have them. The whole thing is getting out of hand and we need to bring a man like Cyrus Vance into the picture and begin to talk and negotiate.
We are going into the hospital and taking patients out of their beds! Handcuffing them. What are people there to think about the Americans? What do those screaming kids think is happening to them and why? How can they be reasoned with after they see their family and friends obliterated by US Bombs? They are being de-limbed, blinded, infected by their wounds, and run out of their homes. All for what? I believe a Cease Fire with the protected retreat of Coalition forces is the first step. Get US out of there. Then let the cards fall where they may. Something strong and stable will rise out of the dust of this war. If the people know they are getting their country back and being left alone to establish stability and security, there will be a pride factor in that. Iraq for Iraqis.
There will be continued bloodshed, but a strong leader will emerge and then there will be peace, and they will be more than happy to sell us their oil at a reduced price. Right now I believe we are stealing that oil. I have always believed that. If you want my assessment of a motive behind the actions of this lunatic president of ours, its is pure thievery. He has been stealing that oil from day uno, right out of the port there in Bashra where the British went in the early days of the war and met a LOT of resistance. They secured that port immediately and that is where the oil leaves that country by tankers. Halliburton oversaw the entire operation. It was a Heist. That's what it was. It had nothing to do with Kurds, Freedom, WMD, or anything else. All that was cover. Bush is an oil man from an oil family. Cheney and Rumsfield are all about oil. That's my answer for this war; OIL.
I take no issue as to the nature of Saddam Hussein. All I know is that he was in his box when 9/11 happened and we invaded his country for no reason whatsoever. You don't invade countries just because their dictators shoot people who disagree with them. That is an issue for the country itself. Foment a revolution. Use Covert Ops to assassinate the bastard. But tomahawk missiles, M.O.A.B. bombs, gunship artillery, etc.? THIS is crazy considering they did nothing to us. It was up to Saddams own people to take him out, and they should have. They could have. History proves that the US panders to dicators when they keep control in a country where the cultural and religious differences are overwhelming. Fear and murder become viable tools of control, and we knew all about Saddam and his ways long before this war. We supported him against Iran. We GAVE him the WMD technology used against the Kurds. When we have this conversation twenty years from today, there will be an Islamic Republic in Iraq, just like the one in Iran that we could not prevent as hard as we tried, even using Saddam to wage war against that country. He was our friend then.
Look at Vietnam. Communist from north to South. All the South Vietnamese Army folk who fought under us are now begging mercilessly in the streets and trying to sell trinkets to stay alive. You just cannot beat a people into submission. Why we haven't learned that, I don't know. We will Bomb and Bomb and Bomb, but will not break the will of the Iraqi people even as much as our journalist agents try to get us to believe these are just renegade insurgents we are fighting. "Terrorists", we call them. Just because they disagree with us and want us out of their country and are willing to use any means necessary to so so. The blood will continue to run in the streets of these Iraqi cities until maybe congress or some church group mounts a full scale protest against our actions there. Hopefully the college campuses will re-awaken and sound the trumpet of dissent and get our troops OUT of that country and back home where they belong.
Many of the Iraqi soldiers are deserting and defecting. You don't hear about that. Who is George Bush to bomb democracy into somebody? And what is freedom? The Iraqis see our society as sin-soaked and evil. They truly believe we are the Great Satan. They see our crime, our drug addiction, our greed, our corruption, our love affair with alcohol and wanton sex, and say "this is not for us". The "insurgent" Iraqis will never rest with Allawi's effort to structure a puppet government through the charade of "free" elections. There must be a LOT of them. Consider the all out effort being lodged against Fallujah. Does this look like an opposition of rag-tag mercenaries and foreign fighters? HELL no. They are organized, equipped, funded, and motivated, taking on as many recruits as they lose in battle. They are legion. They are strong and all over the country. Read between the lines. The US Coalition is nowhere near a victory in this campaign, and Iraqis are dying every day, along with Americans.
They don't want freedom for the sake of freedom, especially if women, children, and innocent people have to die for it, and lose their homes, their infrastructure, their livelihoods, etc. How can you look at that carnage and destruction without hatred for George Bush and co? I can't STAND watching the coverage of this attack. It is cruel, criminal and downright WRONG. It is sickening to see babies crying, and elderly women limping through the streets. We will eventually have to leave, just like we did after Tet in Vietnam. Any moral argument regarding Saddam's behaviour has validity in its own right, but reality is making that argument irrelevant. The question is, do we need to be there, spilling the blood of our soldiers, and innocents? Is there a clear mandate to crush the insurgency in order to protect our lives here in the USA? HELL no again. They had nothing to do with 9/11. I'd sooner see Bush invade Pakistan, because THOSE are the people protecting Osama Bin Laden! Musharif probably knows where he is, but hey. THEY have nukes, so we are best to leave them alone, right? Korea's got nukes too, and soon Iran will have them. The whole thing is getting out of hand and we need to bring a man like Cyrus Vance into the picture and begin to talk and negotiate.
We are going into the hospital and taking patients out of their beds! Handcuffing them. What are people there to think about the Americans? What do those screaming kids think is happening to them and why? How can they be reasoned with after they see their family and friends obliterated by US Bombs? They are being de-limbed, blinded, infected by their wounds, and run out of their homes. All for what? I believe a Cease Fire with the protected retreat of Coalition forces is the first step. Get US out of there. Then let the cards fall where they may. Something strong and stable will rise out of the dust of this war. If the people know they are getting their country back and being left alone to establish stability and security, there will be a pride factor in that. Iraq for Iraqis.
There will be continued bloodshed, but a strong leader will emerge and then there will be peace, and they will be more than happy to sell us their oil at a reduced price. Right now I believe we are stealing that oil. I have always believed that. If you want my assessment of a motive behind the actions of this lunatic president of ours, its is pure thievery. He has been stealing that oil from day uno, right out of the port there in Bashra where the British went in the early days of the war and met a LOT of resistance. They secured that port immediately and that is where the oil leaves that country by tankers. Halliburton oversaw the entire operation. It was a Heist. That's what it was. It had nothing to do with Kurds, Freedom, WMD, or anything else. All that was cover. Bush is an oil man from an oil family. Cheney and Rumsfield are all about oil. That's my answer for this war; OIL.
I take no issue as to the nature of Saddam Hussein. All I know is that he was in his box when 9/11 happened and we invaded his country for no reason whatsoever. You don't invade countries just because their dictators shoot people who disagree with them. That is an issue for the country itself. Foment a revolution. Use Covert Ops to assassinate the bastard. But tomahawk missiles, M.O.A.B. bombs, gunship artillery, etc.? THIS is crazy considering they did nothing to us. It was up to Saddams own people to take him out, and they should have. They could have. History proves that the US panders to dicators when they keep control in a country where the cultural and religious differences are overwhelming. Fear and murder become viable tools of control, and we knew all about Saddam and his ways long before this war. We supported him against Iran. We GAVE him the WMD technology used against the Kurds. When we have this conversation twenty years from today, there will be an Islamic Republic in Iraq, just like the one in Iran that we could not prevent as hard as we tried, even using Saddam to wage war against that country. He was our friend then.
Look at Vietnam. Communist from north to South. All the South Vietnamese Army folk who fought under us are now begging mercilessly in the streets and trying to sell trinkets to stay alive. You just cannot beat a people into submission. Why we haven't learned that, I don't know. We will Bomb and Bomb and Bomb, but will not break the will of the Iraqi people even as much as our journalist agents try to get us to believe these are just renegade insurgents we are fighting. "Terrorists", we call them. Just because they disagree with us and want us out of their country and are willing to use any means necessary to so so. The blood will continue to run in the streets of these Iraqi cities until maybe congress or some church group mounts a full scale protest against our actions there. Hopefully the college campuses will re-awaken and sound the trumpet of dissent and get our troops OUT of that country and back home where they belong.
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